Kate: When I was like, was maybe a junior or senior in high school I started writing fan fiction for Daria, uh, this cartoon that was on MTV for a while. [um hm] About this girl who's, um, kind of an outcast and a nerd but she's really smart and really sarcastic and all and she was kind of my heroine [um hm] because she was a lot like me. And so, I started writing stories for that, and that was the first thing I had that was really successful as far as people, lots of people read it, lots of people [pause] became fans of my stories. So it was like the first time I was really famous as a fan fiction author. And so, um, [pause] that was pretty [so like what kind of] fundamental.